nem [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: happy monday morning, everybody. i'm wearing my sparkle pony t-shirt why? >> because chris kluwe is not on the show. >> stephanie: rob reiner is. it was a big day for marriage equality on friday. i need time, jacki schechner.

you know i need time. i need to a turn you gay and trick you into marrying me. in the current news center. >> if you warn me, doesn't that ruin the element of surprise? >> stephanie: oh, damn it! [ laughter ] >> stephanie: just my luck. she's not easily tricked either. >> she's a smart one that jacki schechner. >> stephanie: we have a big show. we have rob reiner and the prop ownernities in the prop 8 case. >> it is great news the supreme court will take up the issue. >> stephanie: i thought you meant because you were considering my proposal. whatever. let dee in the news. >> bring me the bling. we'll talk about it. just saying. i can be bought. president obama travels to redford, michigan, today to speak at daimler detroit diesel. the company is expected to announce a $100 million plus investment that would expand u.s. production and jobs and also help them develop new technology. detroit deals has 2300 employees and it makes engines rear axles

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happy monday, everybody. six minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. stephaniemiller.com check it out. look at you wearing stephanie miller sexy liberal comedy tour. you get a bonus today. tickets going quickly. orchestra almost gone for january 19th in washington, d.c. for sexy liberal palooza. i was mentioning i'm wearing my sparkle pony shirt. why? because i love chris kluwe and because it was a big day for marriage equality. friday, what did i do? [ applause ] i do what i always do. i call rob reiner and say are we there yet? are you nervous? are you happy? >> i'm sure he loves hearing from you. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: he hasn't call blocked me yet. he will be on the show today. in hour number three. we'll also have chris perry and sandy steer, the proponents in the prop 8 case. >> yep. >> stephanie: it really is -- i was getting the calls all weekend. because people think i know, for some reason, remember like

during the election, people would grab your lapels at a party and say "what's going to happen"! what do the polls really mean? is there someone i can read that will make me feel better like nate silver did? the answer anyway, the reiners and the chris perries, they were both elated and very optimistic. i know, you know, they obviously would know more than most people i know. other people nervous because they're like it has come down to one guy. one guy. >> i was reading an analysis by an actual lawyer. >> stephanie: oh, well, look at you. >> he said that the way that the justices were asking the questions, kind of pointed to something that might be positive for -- >> stephanie: that's what chris perry said to me. we'll talk to her and her lovely hopefully future wife in the next hour. she was saying i don't think they would have taken it to move us backwards. that's not historically what

they do. here's the thing i'm becoming the -- like the romney supporters in fox news, i can't read the stuff that doesn't support my view because whenever i read something from the -- >> from nom -- >> stephanie: then i'm like what? oh no! is that what it means? they were described on their side. why? why are they? >> nom doesn't know what they're talking about. >> stephanie: they got their ass handed to them yesterday. they're saying oh, it means they're signaling they're going to strike is it down because the exact opposite of what you just said. right. yes. >> according to my goat entrails -- >> stephanie: jim, i'll listen to anything. >> they disagree with the tea leaves and my shaman but my numerologist. >> stephanie: numbers look good. >> he always says that. >> try to predict what they're going to do. >> trying to predict what scottous

is going to do is a bad thing. >> stephanie: look at healthcare. olson thinks it won't be 5-4. there are so many arguments here whether it is state's rights. there are so many different ways to look at that time and so many different ways the ruling could be narrow and just california. >> sure. >> stephanie: i know some people are disappointed because if they would not taken it, marriage would be legal today but i still would not have time to turn jacki schechner gay and trick her into marrying me. i'm personally happy. >> i don't think there's enough chardonnay in the world to turn -- >> stephanie: for me. >> no, for her! chardonnay and roofies. [ laughter ] >> breakfast of champions. >> stephanie: because usually to is all about me. if i had someone to be marry, i would be mad. let's give you the fun facts. i'm going to read the ones that make me feel better. >> okay. >> stephanie: is there a marriage equality dick morris? >> the paragraph that you like.

>> stephanie: exactly. right. i like my -- my happy clappy. >> there has to be a dissenting view in there somewhere. >> stephanie: i didn't highlight that. >> stephanie louise miller! >> stephanie: there's lot of stuff. i know. every time i'm like whatever organization has family in the name, i'm like gak! oh no, what? why do they sound so happy? okay. this is "l.a. times" -- because you're right. everybody has a different analysis. one on huff post, adam winkler reiners told me to read. a lot of different issues, a lot of interesting -- first of all we were saying doma seems to me like a slam dunk. i'm not as worried about it. i don't think legal scholars are as worried about it as prop 8. why are you giving me that blank stare? >> i really haven't read it. >> stephanie: where did you go to law school? >> i took a law class in college. we had to do briefs.

>> stephanie: michael chairman in the "l.a. times," he said for the court to uphold doma in 2013 would be surprising. some sponsors of that law enacted 1996 defended it in blatantly moment faux mobic terms. that's our favorite game, being gay is just like -- >> being an alcoholic. >> stephanie: fill in the blank. >> a gay alcoholic. oh, my god. believe me yes, you can. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: don't be so judgmental. supreme court precedent forbids statutes to be rooted in animus or prejudice like doma was. justices aren't indifferent to public sentiment. that's the other reason people are thinking it is because of what happened at the ballot box. they're looking at the same polling we are. this is what happens with social issues. okay. it was weird by the way watching "lincoln" not that long

ago. all of the arguments they were making for slavery using the bible. >> right. >> all right. >> stephanie: sorry. >> there was nothing like thatú in "skyfall" which i saw over the weekend. >> stephanie: you are useless. recent public opinion shows americans no longer support doma. one 12 poll revealed americans favored by 51% to 34%. anyway so then basically they're saying what everybody is saying predicting how prop 8 is going to come out however is tougher. blah, blah, blah we clearly established right to same-sex marriage is harder. for starters, it is likely to divide 5-4 as everybody is saying as they do on every important constitutional issue. on most other issues, justice anthony kennedy, probably the most powerful justice is likely to determine the outcome. this is like the guessing game as to what is kennedy going to do. because he had obviously the things everybody talks about

two really favorable gay rights rulings then he has other legal views that might conflict with this. do we have his cell phone number? could i give him a call? >> sure. >> stephanie: what you thinking about? what you doing? why are you so distant? you know what i started hoping over the weekend that all of the justices have a gay something. relative friends somebody they really love that when they in their heart of hearts -- >> or maybe they are gay. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> stephanie: what are you insinuating? >> antonin scalia can be a little bit fruity. [ buzzer ] >> and roberts had a past. >> stephanie: he's a -- >> making pies and what not. >> stephanie: that's true. the gayest picture that picture of him -- fire island. >> stephanie: in the white sweater with the guy. with the tie. tie tied around -- [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] ma that i be the best -- that may be the best thing we have.

that picture of john roberts. >> tony roberts. >> stephanie: i personally have never seen a straight man with a sweater tied around his neck. >> in the '70s -- >> in the '80s when the preppy thing was going on. >> pretending you played tennis and wore the sweater like that. >> stephanie: this is like the worst legal analysis. on anywhere. >> may i suggest that people don't come to the "the stephanie miller show" -- >> it is just as responsible as people who have the fancy scholars on. >> i support the marsupials act. they have a right to live in whatever tree they choose to. >> stephanie: speaking of scalia, he remains a disgrace on a couple of the gay rights rulings, he accused kennedy of promoting the homosexual agenda. okay. so language in some kennedy opinions suggests the historical legacy. handwriting is on the wall for marriage equality. it is crystal clear.

support among americans increased from less than 25% in 1990, 30% to 35% in 2004 to more than 50% today. in addition, polls show that 70 pest of americans age 18-29 support gay marriage and that's unlikely to diminish -- it is likely to diminish as these people age. many state legislators explained their favor and to have their children proud when reflecting on their parent's legislative record. judges authoring spo opinions in support of gay marriage have invoked examples of courts being on the right side of history. what's going to affect him, i don't know. in 1954, they're saying the courts ruling in brown vs. board of education which invalidated racial segregation in public schools split the nation in half. within two decades it had become iconic. a high court ruling would similarly divide the nation in 2013 yet given how quickly public opinion is evolving within a decade or so, such a decision would be youthfully applauded. what justice would not be tempted to offer the opinion

within a few short years would be known as the brown vs. board of education of the gay rights movement. [ applause ] that was from michael klahrman. >> helpful paragraphs. >> stephanie: mostly helpful. grasping at gay straws here. john roberts wore a sweater around his neck in fire island in 1973. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> '78? >> stephanie: something. >> that picture was later. >> it was the '80s. >> the collars were too narrows. if it was the 70s, they would have been out to here. >> stephanie: what good does that information do for anybody? we're all very tense. all right. i will talk to some actual legal experts as we -- you know who we should get? ted boutros. >> golly. >> stephanie: junior. who is ted olson's law partner. as far as we know has never worn a sweater like that.

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stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 23 minutes after the hour. our usuals, eric boehlert at the top of the hour to cohost right-wing world. rude pundit to hour number three and rob reiner and chris perry and sandy spear the proponents in the prop 8 case. [ applause ] originally perry versus schwarzenegger. nobody wants to defend it. more fun facts and i will get to things that are not happy clappy to give the other side. so there. >> really? >> stephanie: you accuse me of only highlighting hopeful things. >> well. >> stephanie: three options. they can reverse the ninth circuit uphold prop 8 therefore making it clearer the definition of marriage will be left to the discretion of each state and its voters. they could rule broadly that denying gays and lesbians the fundamental right violates the constitution. it would open the door to gay marriages nationwide or the third option, they could strike down prop 8 in a way that limits it just to california so then marriage would be legal in california. and not necessarily nationwide.

all right. so here's -- would you like to -- [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] see, i highlighted things that didn't make me feel good. >> okay. i'm waiting over here to hear them. >> stephanie: gay marriage supporters see 40 reasons to fret. this is from the fretting coalition. over the supreme court's decision to take up the case. california's ban on same sex unions while nine states allow them to marry 41 states do not. it is too far too fast argument. of those 30 have written gay marriage bans into their state constitutions. that is worrisome. they also know the supreme court does not often get too far ahead of the country on hot button issues. i can't help but be concerned said one analyst. a leader in the state by state push for marriage equality. and the reiners were talking to me about this. they're obviously -- there are people that are nervous that don't agree with ted olson and the other groups' approach.

>> i image mitch mcconnell is one of those people. >> stephanie: he's of the go slow coalition. we're always moving too fast. >> slow and steady wins the race. [ laughter ] >> we don't have enough energy to move fast. >> stephanie: just waiting for him to get through that sentence felt like an eternity. more fun facts. 13 states had laws against sodomy when they said states had no right to intrude on the rights of people. in 1967 before the law -- before they outlawed state marriage bans. 17 states had segregated school systems in brown vs. education. more states than not do not have gay marriage. high court loss would prevent same-sex marriage in the nation's largest state. it would not affect just so you know, all of the other states. marriage would still be legal where it is legal now. but it could push back the day that many in the gay rights

movement looking at strong support for gay marriage see as inevitable. so yeah, it is a lot of -- the court can uphold an appeal court's ruling that struck down prop 8 in a way that applies to california and leaves to a later day, questions about a broader band on committed same-sex couples marrying. oh boy. tony perkins -- >> no, mother. no! you're a naughty boy! >> stephanie: not that guy. >> hysteria. >> family research council. >> stephanie: do families need to be researched? is that a need that we have? >> apparently they've found a way to do it. >> stephanie: should the supreme court decide to overturn the laws of 41 states, it would become more divisive than roe v. wade decision. this was troubling. ruth bader ginsburg who is one of the most liberal justices, she in february questioned the timing of the abortion decision and suggests it may have contributed to the on-going bitter debate about abortion.

not that the judgment was wrong but it moved too far, too fast. that was from ginsburg. those are the things that make you worry. a little shpilka in my kinectazoid. chris perry who i love is a lot more selfish than i am. [ applause ] they could have gotten married today if they had not taken the course. she said as much as sandy and i want to be married we want everyone in the united states to be able to be married. we've learned to be patient of the process. what we wanted was the biggest boldest outcome as possible. that's still what i'm hoping for so there! [ applause ] hmm! that's what ted olson thinks. he knows a little something a little something a little something about law. joe in pittsburgh, you're on the "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hi. >> stephanie: hello. >> caller: it's about time that we redefine who the makers and takers are in this country.

instead of letting it up to the tea party and ayn rand. i think the makers are the working poor in the middle class. and the takers are people just like mitt romney that skim off the top and send all of their money to foreign bank accounts, offshore accounts to avoid paying their fair share. >> stephanie: yep. and you know, i was talking about this goldman sachs ceo by the way, that said we can't afford these entitlements. this is the guy that got how many millions in bailout to make sure he got a bonus while -- oh! >> stephanie: he bought a $32 million mansion. we can't afford your entitlements joe. >> caller: first of all, that's not an entitlement. that's an insurance policy that i paid for. >> stephanie: thank you. thank you. that's my point. who is we, kimosabi. 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show."

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stephanie miller show." >> caller: i personally support a gay marriage law. but what i would like to say is opposed to slavery and the right to vote which is just by being born is a human right -- >> stephanie: right. >> caller: gay marriage is a legal tool that you by society to encourage or discourage certain beheys that it thinks it is going to encourage as a group at the time. that's why i disagree with gay marriage as a right but i certainly think we have a right to make it law. >> stephanie: right. but if our -- if our constitution says we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness wouldn't that include for most gay people the right to marry the person they love? >> you ask that as a question. my perspective to that question

would be no. >> stephanie: no? we don't? >> caller: remember, i support -- >> stephanie:, no i got it. >> caller: legally i think if society decides it is in our best interest to make that a law, a tool to encourage we are going to help society then we have a right to pass that law and to enforce it. but if society as a group decides you know what, it is maybe not in our best interest for that because that's -- in other words, it is not a fundamental -- >> stephanie: i think what's fundamental in our country is equality right? all member are created equal. >> i agree with that in every way. equal in the sense that we have a right to control our own destiny and that's where we have a right to control our society through the legislation process. >> stephanie: right. okay. i'm not sure i agreed with the premise -- >> no. >> stephanie: because we're trying to encourage certain things to society.

did i say the wrong document? >> you said it was in the constitution. >> stephanie: i meant declaration -- >> life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- >> stephanie: road flare mary offered me the opportunity to marry man. >> that would not bring you happiness in the least. >> stephanie: that would be pursuit of a sham. i appreciate that, mary, thank you for the opportunity to live a lie. i appreciate that. [ applause ] >> stephanie: oh, gosh. we're just in a holiday mood, aren't we? >> yes we are. just like at fox news. ♪ roasting over middle east fires ♪ ♪ growing a big nose ♪ ♪ talking points being sold by big lies ♪ ♪ like fox and friends media hosts ♪ ♪ everybody knows a turkey likes

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♪ although it's been said many times, many ways ♪ ♪ we all voted you lose ♪ >> stephanie: merry christmas. that was rocky mountain mike and mary in ann arbor. she has the golden pipes. >> she is awesome. so is mike. >> stephanie: we made a point that it is people like mitt romney that are the takers. make what they make here and put it in foreign bank accounts. >> [ whatever! ] >> stephanie: that brings me to the election is over. mitt romney remains the most awkward man in the world. did you see? did you see this story? how do you say this guy's name? >> manny. >> stephanie: i don't keep up with the boxing. so the boxing match. he should know better than to meet with mitt before the fight because he got loser on his --

he got knocked out many times. >> surprise loss. >> was out for 2:00. we were worried for his health. >> like dick morris. >> stephanie: who goes yes, i would love to meet mitt romney and then he touched him. he got loser all over him! [ wah wah ] >> stephanie: "the new york times" described the surreal exchange. in came mitt romney. yes, that mitt romney. former governor of massachusetts. every hair on his head in place romney came in twice. his introduction was at once awkward and hilarious. hi manny i'm mitt romney. i ran for president. i lost. [ wah wah ] >> okay. >> who says that? >> stephanie: he doesn't think -- >> wait a minute. >> i'm getting loser dust all over you. >> god. >> stephanie: he got mathematical lizard dust on him. >> it seems like he lost all of his confidence. you don't walk into a room saying you're a loser. >> stephanie: first of all he knows who he is!

>> well, manny is an american citizen sew might not know. >> stephanie: my name is mitt romney. i ran for president and i lost. >> who walks into a room announcing they're a loser? that's -- >> stephanie: part two. mentioning to the caller. john in san francisco says steph, less than a week after your favorite poor, underprivileged ceo of goldman sachs made his "we can't afford that" remark he just bought a $32.5 million home on long island. in the hamptons. >> we can't afford that. [ applause ] >> stephanie: we can actually, we can because that was some of our money. taxpayer money that he got. the bailout. >> great. >> stephanie: neat. vance in elgin illinois. on your show i heard you saying about how the 98 pest of us with incomes below $250,000 would be getting a tax cut. that's incorrect. it would apply to the first

$250,000, even with people above $250,000. he is correct. i'm sorry if i misspoke. that happens so rarely. [ applause ] but you're correct. >> i think that was in the declaration of independence. >> stephanie: right. i said -- the magna carte. carol in illinois. you're on the "the stephanie miller show." hi carol. >> caller: hi. mitt romney's way of talking is so warren jeffs. >> warren jeffs? >> caller: that weird kind of -- it is so warren jeffs. my comment was about boehner and mcconnell. their negotiating style is really lame and retarded. >> stephanie: oh well, that's probably not a word we should use. >> caller: they're just tired. they need to be retired. that's all. >> stephanie: yes i get it. all right. okay. not -- [ buzzer ]

conservatives have no choice but to give in to white house demands. fiscal debate is to move to the main goal which is destroying the social safety net. according to several republicans yesterday on the sunday shows. there is a growing group of folks who are realizing we don't have a lot of cards. about corker. he's a cork. that one. tom cole said some of our people think we dig in and hold strong, we can stop it. that's just not the case. >> computer says yes. >> stephanie: now you're getting it. in my view, he said we all agree. we won't raise taxes on people who make less than $250,000. we should take them out of the discussion right now. yes. >> computer says yes. >> stephanie: tom coal burnson, will i accept a tax deal? >> computer says yes. >> stephanie: that's not so hard. it is power of yes! [ applause ] that's what the election was all about. the power of saying yes. you need to go now. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: david in chicago. hi dave, welcome.

>> caller: hello! stephanie. you know, i'm a little shocked by your previous caller who was trying to lay out a hierarchy of rights. as if rights would be prioritized. i am a lawyer and i'm from chicago. i'm familiar with economics and so forth but golly, i don't think we have to subject every single fundamental right to an economic analysis to determine whether it's important enough to support. >> you're absolutely right. >> caller: it is really offensive to hear someone take that position and then say they're pro gay marriage. >> stephanie: to say we make laws to encourage behaviors that we like. what? no, we don't. >> caller: at a certain level we do if we talk about tariffs and surcharges and things like that. this is something far more fundamental than that. >> stephanie: that's exactly right. which is why i quoted -- the magna carte. >> caller: i love you, i love you. >> stephanie: you know i meant declaration of independence. >> a lot of people do think that life, liberty and the pursuit of

happy as soon as in the preamble of the constitution. >> stephanie: darryl in flint michigan. >> i'll give you a pass on that one. >> caller: hey mama, mooks. i just wanted to call. i support gay marriage, have for a very long time. i was raised by a progressive mother and i just wanted to say by standing in the way of gay marriage, aren't you restricting commerce vacations for honeymoons, all of that stuff? >> stephanie: that's just another side benefit. of course, there is economic benefit. >> caller: i just think that standing in the way of free enterprise is what they're doing. you know. >> the supreme court doesn't rule based on what will be good for the economy. >> stephanie: that's true. that's true. it is just an added -- you know -- >> just an added benefit. >> stephanie: send us a thank you card. >> be good for the thank you card industry. >> stephanie: there you go.

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>> caller: hi, how you doing? >> stephanie: good. >> caller: in the sexy liberal show, you said that jesus christ never spoke about homosexuality. that's a lie. read mark 20-25. he said that homosexuality with greed, malice, lying adultery and so many other sins will ruin your body and your soul. >> stephanie: no. that is incorrect. >> you are lying. >> stephanie: jesus never said the word gay or homosexual. >> caller: excuse me? >> stephanie: jesus never said the words gay or homosexual. >> he said sexual immorality. >> stephanie: you're deeming that jesus meant being gay? >> caller: no. he meant sexual sins like -- >> did he go into it? >> stephanie: you're saying what you think -- you're say what you can think jesus meant. >> caller: you want me to go into it? >> stephanie: you just know what jesus was thinking.

>> that's pretty prideful to think you know what jesus was thinking. >> caller: i learned from sexual immoralities. >> you seemed to have researched it. >> caller: i'll tell you. sleeping with your cousin, sleeping with your sister, being gay, that's many sexual immoralities. >> stephanie: okay. you're saying that only you know what jesus meant by sexual immorality? >> caller: no. i'm just saying the interpretations of homosexuality like sleeping with your stepmother, stuff like that. >> stephanie: it is not like incest. >> caller: it is not like incest but it is still a sexual immorality. you have to say that. >> stephanie: no we don't have to. the gospel of ted nugent. >> jesus never said anything about homosexuality. the only thing in the new testament came from one of the disciples. >> stephanie: he knew what jesus meant. >> because he was up jesus'

business. >> stephanie: hello, brad. >> caller: love your show, stephanie. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: it's awesome. liberal, second red state. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: i just want -- have a couple of comments on gay marriage. look, i've been married for 17 years. you know you hear the right wing conservatives talking about it the sanctity of marriage. i'm not sure how allowing gay couples to enter into a legal contract is going to ruin my marriage. >> stephanie: yep. brad, you know, you're speaking as a guy you know, a married guy but interestingly, that's really the legal basis for this whole thing is -- that's what happened in prop 8. they couldn't prove the harm. they legally couldn't prove the harm. that's exactly the legal basis. >> right. there is no legal basis. basically, it is state-sponsored

discrimination. >> stephanie: thank you. the fiscal cliff thing whatever, oh the president and john boehner met face-to-face yesterday. face-to-face -- face to orange-soaked face. right up in there. president got to get a whiff of that. the president. >> obama: all of this, by passing a law that prevents a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income, that means 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses wouldn't see their income taxes go up by a single dime. even the wealthiest americans would get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. families everywhere would enjoy some peace of mind. >> job creators are going to create jobs if they pay taxes. no fair! >> stephanie: all of that came out with just the talking point.

>> spittle. >> stephanie: talking points. spittle. >> i work at a tavern. >> stephanie: do you think the president does that pause that calm okay. then he just continues. >> obama: i'm willing to find ways to bring down the cost of healthcare without hurting seniors and other americans who depend on it. and i'm willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the $1 trillion in spending cuts i signed into law last year. >> job creators. kenyans. >> stephanie: matt in chicago. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi matt. >> caller: hi, stephanie. >> stephanie: hi, go ahead. >> caller: "the stephanie miller show." >> stephanie: you would like to be what? >> caller: the official travelling salesman of "the stephanie miller show." >> stephanie: okay. go ahead. >> caller: the comment about the defense of marriage act. you don't have to have a degree in political science to see that

if you just read the constitution, it is clearly a constitutional -- amendment. driver's license is good in one state, it should be good in another state. it should apply to marriage certificates. defense of marriage act is a crazy point. >> stephanie: we got your point but we missed every other word. >> listener milt would like to say regarding the bible caller, mark stops at chapter 16 so he's not sure what mark 20-25 means. >> stephanie: you mean he mae have misspoke? >> he may have misspoke. >> stephanie: jesus meant the gays. that's what he meant. >> in mark -- >> mark 140-270. he says -- [ laughter ] >> stephanie: you have a bigger bible. we would have known that right away. all right. whatever. >> i have read the bible. i haven't memorized what

chapters there are and stuff like that. >> stephanie: charles in tennessee. hello, charles. hello, charles! i tried. it doesn't go. okay. let's go to debbie in illinois. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi deb. >> caller: hi. how are you doing stephanie? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: actually, i'm not opposed to gay marriage. what i would like to do, however, because i get these rights, i think that you know, my partner my husband actually of 20 some odd years has decided he would like to pursue his true feelings and he has decided he wants a divorce and he is with another man. and i of course, wish him all of the happiness he could possibly have but i'm looking for you know, the support of a group for me. now i did find a group called the straight spouse network. i choose to stay heterosexual. i guess for me, i'm very

positive about him pursuing his own happiness because i'm able to pursue mine but his situation is very illuminated by the press and everything where i'm sort of -- if you will, put into the closet because my situation is now the minority. you know? so i'm looking to find out if maybe the media or somebody out there will help individuals like myself who want to continue to have a very heterosexual relationship. where do we go? >> stephanie: i think any kind of break-up for any reason is not easy for anybody. >> correct. >> stephanie: i get you have a specific issue. i think -- but i think that's why does many people are becoming for marriage equality because you know, clearly a lot of people didn't think they had a choice maybe like your husband. not that i'm sure he didn't love you. >> caller: no, that's correct. i believe what we had was genuine. i believe that this man has lived with not being able to be

his true self because of society in passing what was going on. he couldn't be who he wanted to be. we had a wonderful life. >> stephanie: i'm sorry we're out of time, honey. we support both of you. i'm sorry for your loss. 58 minutes after the hour. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: hello. hour number two. tv world. jacki schechner are we sensing any movement in the fiscal cliff clavin? do we know anything about it? >> yeah, i mean it seems to be there's some stuff emerging. everybody is being really quiet

about it. i have a little more detail on it in my news brief. there's not a lot publicly emerging but conversation still happening behind closed doors. >> stephanie: are we going up to christmas new year's, whatever it is again? >> they like to draw this out. you know that. they push it to the very possible minute. they'll take advantage of as much time as they have to continue to play this out and see what we come to. i'm confident the president will stick to his guns on these tax hikes. a lot of republicans are coming around to the idea they'll have to go for it. >> stephanie: yeah. >> he's got the leverage. he may as well use it. >> stephanie: i agree. jacki schechner with all of the latest in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody. let's start with news of a former governor and then possibly a future one. not like we didn't see this coming. former florida governor republican charlie crist has now become a democrat. he spent two years as an independent before announcing on twitter friday that he had converted. he signed new voter registration form at the white house. the question now is whether he

will run for governor again which would make him the in florida to run as both a republican and a democrat. chris told the a. p., he's very much considering it. >> new york mayor cory booker is making it clear he's thinking about running for higher office. here he is on cbs's "face the nation." >> i'm absolutely considering running for governor as well as giving other options some consideration. i will be focused on that for the next week to ten days or so. >> booker has now got two weeks to decide whether or not he's going to challenge governor chris christie. christie has been very popular in the aftermath of hurricane sandy. but booker told cnn this morning, he does think christie is vulnerable, especially on women's issues and environmental concerns. another option for booker would be waiting a bit and running for senate in 2014. he says he's thinking about which option would give him a better shot at working on the issues he cares about and where he would be most driven to contribute. and then as we talked about a few moments ago president obama and house speaker john boehner

did meet face-to-face yesterday at the white house to talk about the fiscal cliff. both sides mum on any details simply releasing statements saying that the lines of communication are open. it is now down to the wire for some something to happen that lawmakers can approve. there still needs to be enough time for the house and senate to review the legislation to debate it and possibly to pass it. we're back after the break. >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there's wiggle-room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. ... and current will let me say anything. >> only on current tv. [ male announcer ] red lobster's hitting the streets to tell real people about our new 15 under $15 menu. oh my goodness! oh my gosh this looks amazing! [ male announcer ] our new maine stays! 15 entrees under $15 seafood, chicken and more! oo! the tilapia with roasted vegetables! i'm actually looking at the wood grilled chicken with portobello wine sauce. that pork chop was great! no more fast food friday's!

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your cubicle! everyone already thinks you're a left wing lunatic anyway. it's "the stephanie miller show." [ applause ] >> stephanie: all right. time for right-wing world speak of which -- eric boehlert. from media matters for america doing the lord's work as usual. >> eric boehlert. ♪ hurts so good ♪ ♪ come on, baby ♪ >> eric boehlert. ♪ hurts so good ♪ >> stephanie: let's dive into the right-wing world. eric boehlert from media matters who we love. good morning, eric boehlert. >> good morning. >> stephanie: i loved your tweets about them trying to explain away mitt romney's loss. i thought i was the first one to notice that but sandy is the only reason he lost, right? >> dick morris had this amazing column. he obviously became the biggest laughingstock with his prediction of a romney landslide and everything. late last week, he finally came around to explaining why and he

said you know, not enough white people voted and why didn't -- white people vote sandy. so how did the hurricane affect white voters in, you know, new hampshire? >> stephanie: iowa and colorado. >> and didn't quite get that. >> only white people are affected by hurricanes apparently. >> apparently was just a blanket effect across the country once people saw obama tour new jersey. that was it. that was just -- everything else was out the window. all of the -- you know, allegations about four years of obama being a socialist and a monster and all of that stuff was just apparently evaporated because of the hurricane. also rove was pushing that nonsense last week. obviously rove and morris have the most explaining to do. >> stephanie: and o'reilly. apparently there's one now and only because of hurricane sandy. >> he went on -- o'reilly went

on leno and was explaining last week romney just disappeared after the hurricane hit. the last week. interesting point he said he would have had romney on for the entire hour, you know, the night before the election. they made that offer. they made it to obama. but o'reilly couldn't get romney on his show and would have given romney an entire hour the night before the election. so he says -- basically you know, if you come on my show, he would have won. if there hadn't been a hurricane, he would have won. >> stephanie: if anything, we learned more exposure to mitt romney. much more popular. >> stephanie: sure. let's dive into the right-wing world. bill crystal on the fox news sunday. >> still a spending problem. most of the spending -- the president seems to have no interest in us having a strong defense. again, i guess we can litigate that next year. there will be plenty of other opportunities to debate the spending defense and entitlement issues next year.

my view is get the tax issue off the table. weakest ones. let the president own it. we'll have a bunch of other debates. >> yes because we're only at 300 times more powerful than anyone else on the planet. we've completely -- we're completely defenseless. >> stephanie: is that just implanted, the come inthat makes them -- the comment that makes them say we have a problem. those are his priorities. >> as a neocon,he announceds obama has no interest in a strong defense. crystal wrote a column late last week saying you know, as the world unravels on barack obama's watch, you know, it would be easy for conservatives to say we told you so. you know. so in their view, since the election, the world has fallen apart, you know. everything has gone awful. not just the united states but around the world. and ha, ha ha. we're going -- we get the last

laugh. everyone else is look around like what are you talking about? things seem pretty good since the election. unemployment is down. world seems pretty stable. they view this entire different world. he literally wrote the world is unraveling on obama's watch. >> stephanie: well, you know, it is interesting. he beat up on the republican party in that piece. he says the movement is in deep disarray and he said it has become a racket. then he goes on to talk about i love how he says president obama's inaction in syria and inaction in iran meaning failure to bomb both of the places? conservatives to urge the about the to reverse course. here we go again. the guy who helped get us into iraq. >> the world is unraveling. when he says the world of course, he's talking the middle east. he's talking the arab world. et cetera. it was in such great shape under bush, you know. iraq was in such a sterling position for growth, you know. and prosperity under bush. i mean, come on! you know, he -- conservatives

want to say we told you so. what are they talking about? they're supposedly this nationwide remorse that we've elected obama. i don't see it anywhere else except on fox news. >> stephanie: the election results made that clear. right. steve ducey fox and friends. >> every day the nation gets one step closer to the so-called fiscal cliff. right now, there are only 25 shopping days left for congress and the president to negotiate a deal. he doesn't want to make a deal. less less monday at the hall, more -- he's less monty hall, more monti burns to extract pain on the republicans. >> stephanie: so the issue that he ran and won on -- >> well, i think what's so frustrating for republicans is the last time we had some of these dopey countdown to the clock of armageddon was with the debt deal. and republicans were in a much stronger position for better or for worse just because they were willing to you know, blow up the

whole debt deal, et cetera. so i think you know, they wish it was like that. they wished -- when that unfolded, obama was taking hit after hit. he did not have the leverage. he obviously hadn't just won an election. his approval ratings were going in the tank. so they're upset that this isn't a rerun. they're upset that obama seems to be holding a lot of the cards. they're upset the republicans seem weak and boehner is divided and the republican party. so a lot of this complaint like we heard from ducey is him saying boy we want the debt deal again. we want it where obama was on the run and taking hits politically because it is clearly not unfolding. >> stephanie: you right great stuff about this. right wing -- like what do you call it? entertainment complex. they want drama and ratings. they don't want what's good for the country. they would love another debt crisis right? >> oh, my gosh. absolutely. and they would -- yeah, they want bad news. they want tension. they want things going poorly.

they wish unemployment -- you know -- remarks on friday barely even covered the fact that unemployment went down. it was better than expected and things like that. they are sort of the carnival barkers. their interests aren't always in sync with the country or the republican party more and more. >> stephanie: exactly. all right, monica crowley fox business channel. >> from a conservative perspective, november 6th was a national suicide. buried within fine red line between us and total destruction of the american idea. thin red line was the republican party. if this party also commits suicide, this will be catastrophic. >> stephanie: wow hyperbole much? >> we should all jump off the fiscal cliff. you and the lemmings. >> if republicans accept tax debts, that will be worse than obama's re-election. spiraling of this sort of drone

suicide. >> stephanie: somebody building a thesaurus for apocalyptic -- >> back to bill crystal saying the world is unraveling on obama's watch. here it is. election day was mass suicide. this is such a tiny fraction of the population. views politics and obama -- that way now. the only weird part is they've got cameras pointed at them that's on television. they've got a platform. so they -- you know, again they're such a radical minority. this notion that everyone, you know, thinks obama's re-election was a disaster. or was a suicide. >> trying to put on the black -- and cut off your junk. >> wow. that's a 1996 reference. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but it is true. if the parallel universe continues. in the real world, we had a great new employment reporter on friday and monica crowley's world, it is just, you know, death and destruction.

and dogs and cats living together. all right. sean hannity. >> boehner and company need to do are the following. one, they need to understand the game that obama's playing and they need to adjust accordingly to this. if obama's acting in a way that isn't helping the economy but is meant to destroy the republican party well, they have to accept that and act wisely. it would be suicidal to assume that you're dealing with a reasonable and flexible man when, in fact, obama is a hyperpartisan idea log. this is simply standing up for what is right moral and just. it is standing up for your children and future generations. it is the right thing to do. because this is now a fight for the soul of america. >> stephanie: oh, my god you hate your children if you're for rich people paying their fair share. >> if the top 2% aren't paying more taxes you hate apple pie. >> and the comic can't hit soon enough. >> but this is what boehner has to deal with.

he's got senators like corker and others going on tv saying well, you know, kind of makes sense if we increase the taxes. we'll take aim at entitlement because that's what's important to them but as soon as someone says that, they've got this -- you know, they've got this noise machine. >> stephanie: by the way -- >> sort of obsessed with bough at the altar of big business. >> stephanie: it strikes me it is the mitch mcconnell's and jim demints of the world that are on record as saying we want -- we want him to fail. that's our number one priority to make him a one-term president. to break him to make this his water lou. eric boehlert remains in the sidecar. we continue with more right right-wing world on "the stephanie miller show." >> on "the stephanie miller show" radio show in suburban america this morning. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show."

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>> announcer: stephanie miller. ♪ these are words that go together well ♪ >> stephanie miller. >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 22 minutes after the hour. eric boehlert from media matters rejoins us to continue right-wing world. rush limbaugh. >> what used to be traditionally strong and masculine is now old-fashioned, predatory and barbaric and it is. i'm not so sure that it's hollywood that's ruining women so much as it has been feminism. >> stephanie: oh. okay. >> wow. >> stephanie: i love it when

he talks about manhood, don't you, eric? >> this is someone who -- what's his short hand for nags? interesting. sort of the larger perspective you know, george made an interesting point this week on sunday talking about how the opposition to gay marriage is literally dying off. and the opposition to feminism in america i think in terms of rush limbaugh's audience is literally dying off. as the social sort of debates go on and you know, opposition to it just becomes weaker and weaker. it is because these people who consume rush limbaugh and fox news they're getting older and older. >> stephanie: yep. >> thankfully, you know, their intolerance is sort of fading away. >> stephanie: let's be fair. you can't accuse rush limbaugh of not loving women. he's married enough of them. it is a quantity thing for him.

>> these sluts refuse to date me! >> stephanie: bernard and bill o'reilly. >> christmas is very, very real. if you ask me, in addition to some grouchy misanthropic heathen atheist it has to do, at the root of it, it has to do with two things. abortion and the gay rights agenda because christianity is a -- [ scooby-doo's "huh?" ] is against those things. >> i agree 100% that it is the diminishment of christianity is the target and christmas is the vehicle because the secularists know their opposition to their agenda. legalize drugs is in that as well. >> stephanie: what? where did that come from? i thought it was about gay rights and abortion. >> that plays into exactly what i just mentioned. there was just -- you know, a stat over the weekend. the average age of the fox viewer is 65 years old.

if i had to guess, i would say the riley average age viewer is closer to 70. they sit around and complain about you know, the war on christmas and drug policy and gays getting married. things like that. >> stephanie: there were no gays in our norman rockwell christmases back when. >> abortion. how everyone hates christians. it is just this really weird televised, you know, moaning session that goes on. very old white apparently catholic men who are just obsessed with the decay of america. >> what was wrong -- scaring. >> stephanie: exactly. you're not a real man if you need an airbag. eric boehlert from media matters. a delight as always. see you next week, honey. [ applause ] >> stephanie: airbags french and gay. >> anti-lock brakes?

who needs brakes at all! just use your feet like fred flintstone. >> we didn't need brakes. that's for homos. >> stephanie: you don't need to stop if you're a man. just go! >> plow right through. >> stephanie: charles in tennessee. hello, charles. >> caller: hi, little darlin's. >> stephanie: hello honey. >> caller: listen, on the gay marriage, i believe that a gay person has the absolute right that the rest of us have that when they divorce that they get taken to the cleaners just like all the rest of us. >> stephanie: awesome. >> caller: i also believe that as far as the bible goes, the bible just says if you believe it is a sin just abstain. and it don't go into all of the other stuff. >> stephanie: there you go. thank you charles. >> caller: love you, bye. >> it is great for the lawyers. >> stephanie: ka-ching,

ka-ching. >> oh, that explains it. >> stephanie: someone's going to make a boatload off me! i'm famous for disation rouse decisions. okay. [ applause ] i'm laughing at my pain. robert in north carolina. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi robert. >> caller: yes, good morning. three of my board members are openly gay and we're here in north carolina. but what i wanted to tell you a friend of mine, the chaplain at stanford university, the official chaplain. and on the door to the office is a brochure which says what did jesus say about homosexuality. when you open the brochure, there's nothing in it. and you'll get -- >> stephanie: it is like the jewish sports legends. >> caller: the chaplain who put that brochure up 22 years ago first name was penelope. it was a woman priest.

>> wow. >> caller: at stanford, she put up that brochure. everyone who has served in that office since has been very proud of her. >> stephanie: awesome. >> caller: i've got three gay board members and we're in north carolina. so jesus loves us all. >> stephanie: all right. thank you. appreciate that, robert. >> as soon as they go into south carolina, they burst into flames. [ laughter ] >> my fascist uncle episcopal priest left because they were ordaining women. once they started ordaining gays, he went up in flames. [ explosion ] >> stephanie: all right. speaking of the gays, speaking of which our good friends chris perry and sandy speer join us next. perry versus -- i don't know what it is now. perry versus schwarzenegger originally. >> brown really wants nothing to do with it. >> stephanie: perry versus nobody that wants to defend homophobia anymore. that's not the legal name. i'll find it. >> maybe we can ask her.

since her name is on the case. >> stephanie: perry versus -- i'm out. what's the name of it now? we'll talk to their reaction to the supreme court hearing the case as we continue on "the stephanie miller show." event. >> nobody knows disasters like comedians. that's why for my upcoming benefit for victims of hurricane sandy, i booked the strongest, smartest comics i could find. my comedian friends and i will raise money to rebuild homes and lives one laugh at a time. so tune in next friday for my all star comedy special. >> together we can get new yorkers back to yelling at strangers and ignoring our friends.

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>> if you google phrase class a moron, my name pops up now. so step aside. >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." 1-800-steph-12 toll free from anywhere. jim, who said on friday, we're full of anticipation today. we're elated with the possibility of great things

happening. >> fred willard. >> stephanie: chris perry. she joins us. hi chris and sandy. >> who is it? >> hollingsworth versus perry. >> stephanie: oh, i got it now. we were saying it should be called perry versus nobody wants to defend this broad anymore. >> it was called perry v. schwarzenegger then a new governor. perry v. brown and now that it is being appealed, it is hollingsworth versus perry. >> stephanie: i had you and the reiners on speed dial. i called you over the weekend. i'm like what do you think? what do you think? are you happy? are you scared? and you were very positive. >> well, look, this is three and a half years of fighting with to

make sure we have the biggest best ruling we possibly can because california is behind now. there are so many other states that have taken care of this issue and made it possible for their residents to be married. here we are in california behind the eight ball and no pun intended but it actually just feels like it is time for us to get to the final chapter and that's what's exciting about this news. >> stephanie: well, sandy you and kris, much more generous of hart than i am. >> we may have very well have been walking down the aisle. it depended on how long it took the california courts to lift the stay so that we could get married. even though that would have been very exciting, the possibility of having a ruling that could impact the country is just fabulous. we couldn't not be more thrilled with just the possibility. we do recognize that it is a

possibility only at this point. >> stephanie: that's where we differ. kris and i had a conversation about my personal life over the weekend, if i had someone to marry, i would have been pissed but since i don't i'm willing to look for the outcome that you are. you know, we were talking about this kris, on the phone. the minute you start listening to people on the other side like of some them were described as -- they felt like this was going to go their way. i was like why? it's hard to read those tea leaves, isn't it? >> well, it is. but if you step back for a minute and even step away from the marriage equality question and you think more broadly about human rights, civil rights. constitutional rights. and you think okay, chris perry sandy -- kris perry sandy steir are human beings and we should be treated equally under the law because we're human beings. it is not a radical idea if you think of it as something as simple as that.

then it doesn't make as much of a difference -- it shouldn't make as much of a difference to folks who say they know better. who should be married and who shouldn't. really, you should be thinking is it fair to say to a group of people you don't get to have something everybody else has because of one trait that you have. it is -- it's really something that -- isn't -- no longer acceptable to be sort of openly discriminatory or hateful toward a group of people. i'm happy about where this is headed. i feel like we're going to put this to rest. >> stephanie: you said in terms of the tea leaves, you said you can't imagine they took this to move us backward. >> no. that's what sandy and i were talking about. to reverse two lower court rulings from the same court system that the supreme court supports would be saying not only to the people of california but to those courts you were wrong. you were wrong to determine that this law was unconstitutional. they would have to have such great evidence to prove that the

ruling from judge walker was wrong from the ninth circuit which nothing new has emerged. dade blanken horn, their once witness has come out in favor of same-sex marriage. >> stephanie: that's right. whoever i was reading. whatever the name is. he said arguing this case before the supreme court finally gives us a chance toy fair hearing. something that hasn't been afforded to the people since we began this fight. and i'm like what are you talking about? you had a fair hearing. you could prove no harm. right? that was the legal -- that's what happened, right? >> well, there is a 3,000 page trial record which is the very first time there's been a trial on this issue of basically discrimination against a group of folks that want to be married and that 3,000 page record is a very powerful thing. and it is hard to just keep saying you know, we haven't had a fair trial when, in fact, the record proves quite the

opposite. >> stephanie: mm-hmm. sandy, obviously the one thing that makes a lot of people nervous is everybody has been saying forever this comes down to one guy. one guy to anthony kennedy and trying to figure out what way he's going to go on this, right? >> that's right. you know, kennedy has shown some pretty strong supportive feelings as well for gay individuals so we don't feel like there is a pretty good possibility that he'll weigh in our favor. as kris was saying about the trial, not only did it prove no harm to society but we, you know -- the possibility of us getting married but it also proved and brought to light evidence about great harm to gay and lesbian individuals and their children and their families and their communities for not having access to marriage. and you know it just kind of proved that discrimination causes a lot of harm for people and for society. >> stephanie: i was reading a piece in the "l.a. times" yesterday about you know, when you're trying to guess about the kennedy stuff, you look at the fact that they're saying that

they think he will want to be on the right side of history essentially. they're not unaffected by what is happening right in the polls and at the ballot boxes. recently right? >> that is what we're reading. we're hoping that certainly he would want to be on the right side of history. we can't imagine that the supreme court justices don't also have family or friends and their own extended network. it is hard to imagine not wanting to support this important issue of our time. >> stephanie: i just said that this morning. i find myself hoping that they have a lot of people they love either family or friends or whatever that are gay. because i think that's where -- that's why this has moved so fast because it is hard for people to look in the eyes of someone they love and say i love you but i don't believe you deserve the same rights i have. >> right. or really enjoy thanksgiving dinner with your grandchildren or children and your nieces and nephews. >> stephanie: kris, what do you make of the -- you know, i was reading something earlier though. every time you read one thing that reassures you then you read something about ruth bader

ginsburg talking about obviously she was for roe v. wade but it may be the too far too fast argument and that's why there's been a backlash. people who are nervous say there are 41 states that it may -- you know what i'm saying in terms of sheer numbers that don't have marriage equality. >> right. there are those people that use the roe example as the example of how you shouldn't move too quickly because there is a backlash then people who say if you wait so long that all you're doing is scooping up the outlying states at the end of a trend, at the end of a social movement, that's an embarrassment. that that's a blemish on the court. and i think what's really important in my mind, when i think of chief justice roberts. he's a very young man and he will sit on that court for maybe 20 more years. 30 more years and we all know the trend -- the way this is headed. he will be the one whose name -- it will be the roberts court. will they have done the right thing for americans or will they be the court that did this thing

to hold us back? and i know that -- very smart people who care deeply about the constitution and upholding people's rights and i know they're going to find their way to the right answer on this. that it is not fair to take a group of people and leave them in the cold. it is not right. >> stephanie: you know, isn't that right kris, a lot of this, you don't have to be a lawyer. it is pure instinct on americans basic sense of fairness and equality. i was talking about the declaration of independence and the pursuit of happiness. it seems so intrinsic to our americanness. >> sandy and i are hoping if we get married that we will be in pursuit of happiness. [ laughter ] the goal here, of course -- >> stephanie: you may be too tired by then. >> we would like to be part of that as well. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: you'll be too exhausted from this whole thing. you'll be like oh, whatever, honey. well, you know, obviously it's tough to predict but the other thing is that there are a lot of ways this could go, right?

there's basically three options correct? they could make this narrow to california. it could make marriage equality the law of the land. what are your guesses? >> well, three plus infinity. i think that there really is such a wide array of options before them and you're right. narrow to broad. there is huge a spectrum of options. rather than what we're going to try really hard to do is not speculate on what they're going to do but remain very positive that there will, at the very least, they will uphold the lower court rulings and find prop 8 is unconstitutional and that california should no longer have to live under the tyranny of that law. if it goes broader and obviously there's case precedent and other ways in which these kind of rulings do have a ripple effect on other states and that's wonderful. but what we set out to do was get rid of prop 8 because it took away a constitutional right for californians that they had and then they lost which is

truly abhorrent. i feel like that's what we're set out to do. >> stephanie: i think you make a good point about roberts and one of the things that gives me hope is the affordable care act. i think you're right. i don't think he wants this to be seen as a partisan, activist court. scalia, to me, sounds like he could be on fox news half the time. didn't he once accuse kennedy of promoting the homosexuality agenda or something? that, to me, that's what i mean. he feel like he was trying to avoid the affordable care decision. >> he's also a federalist and someone who prides himself on family values. and on the importance of marriage. and on the importance of family. and he will be making -- i'm sure whenever they have to make these very, very profound decisions, they reach not only into their personal belief system but they have to look at the law. they have to look at what we, as a society, say is right. and he could land on the right side of this, based on his

personal and professional values. >> stephanie: sandy, i think the important thing before we go is what wroal i will be -- what role i will be playing in your wedding. i could have been flower girl. i'm a little old now. >> that's right. we're hoping you can be a combination of welcoming -- the welcome wagon champagne pourer and certainly you're going to want to admire -- how young we look in our fancy wedding clothes. ewe need a lot of support. >> you don't want stephanie in charge of the champagne. >> stephanie: i will be fine. i'll wear a champagne hat with tubes and enough for everybody else. then you know your other job is to find me someone to marry. okay? >> we'll be busy doing that. >> stephanie: double wedding. >> absolutely. >> stephanie: congratulations, guys. very excited for you. and we will talk as this rolls along. thanks so much. love you. i mean that in a really gay way. incredibly gay way. i don't know how to hang up on

people. okay. [dial tone] >> stephanie: i crewed that up. >> god! >> stephanie: it's hard doing two callers at the same time. >> i gave you a lesson before we went on with them. >> stephanie: i got overly excited. i'm sorry. prospect of marriage equality. 46 minutes after the hour. and being the champagne server. >> who has champagne? >> you already had champagne this morning. >> stephanie: we're this close to vacation. 46 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> a place where dreams come true. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." who watch our show to be able to come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion.

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dates out that way. >> stephanie: the fiscal worker cliff clavin is upon us. >> i don't want to do it. the president doesn't want to do it but we need to solve the problem. we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. a recession which the republicans will own. >> stephanie: by the way, you can tell they're still just playing politics with this. representative john duncan, republican of tennessee said why they're refusing to give in on the tax cuts. he won't vote to extend tax cuts to 98% of americans because doing so would give control to the democrats. it is not about what's best for the american people. it is about what's best for the republican party. >> i think they should go with that suicidal idea that jim o'reilly was saying. >> jim, stop it. >> jim ward. >> stephanie: jim, jim. >> bill o'reilly. >> stephanie: all right. representative nancy pelosi. >> what they offered in return was an empty letter.

lacking in specifics. >> stephanie: all right. boehner, this was after the meeting on friday. at the white house. >> this isn't a progress report because there is no progress to report. >> it is clever. >> stephanie: jim's impression is slightly more drunk than boehner sounds. >> can we hear that again? >> stephanie: yes. >> this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. >> there's no progress to report. ha ha! >> stephanie: he's drifting into tom delayish territory. >> wow! >> conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the effects in the tax -- prepared for war. liberals saw this -- savagery of 9-11 of the tax and wanted to prepare indictments. and offer therapeutic

understanding for our attackers. that's not slander. that's the truth. >> that is a totally drunk uncle. oh god. >> kids these days. >> stephanie: i like the ones where he takes four tries at the same word. do not help me! i've got this. >> we haven't played that in a long time. >> stephanie: i change words that are easier to pronounce. i give up after three attempts at a word. >> i know. aye aheard you. -- i've heard you. >> going to exercise on the paliptical -- bicycle. >> i can say elliptical. >> not this afternoon. >> stephanie: i start early. >> there are a lot of things that are possible but to put the renew -- the president -- it is

on the table. >> stephanie: he had a tough time with revenue there. >> on the table right next to the bottle of bourbon. >> kay bailey hutchison senior -- senator from texas. >> more eggnog! >> stephanie: i got it! [ laughter ] okay. all right. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] here's one thing that is going to start to make me lose it. lose my [ bleep ] why are we talking about compromising already on the tax rate? >> democrats are talking about compromising? >> stephanie: won't rule out a 37% tax rate? congressional leaders in both parties signaled they would be open to compromise on the top bracket tax rates. what is the point of winning a second landslide in a row? >> because -- >> stephanie: he was asked about a top rate of 37. halfway between the current rate of -- to the point where it's supposed to go back to. >> we still need the house in order to pass the law.

>> stephanie: nancy pelosi says it is about the money. getting the money to grow the economy and unleash the power. she didn't know if a top tax rate of 37% would bring in sufficient revenue. >> handouts. entitlements. social security. >> social security? >> stephanie: can't say that. too many ss. >> the 47%. >> stephanie: okay. >> drunk uncle. >> stephanie: the white house has said 39.6% is its preference but has not ruled out 37%. [ wah wah ] the white house believes it has the leverage because it is willing to go off the cliff which is what they have said. that's why i don't get why we compromise on the rate. why wouldn't we go off the cliff and get the rate we're supposed to get and fix it two weeks into january or whatever. hmm. boehner and obama spoke wednesday. but let's see.

blah, blah blah. top administration official visited house republicans thursday to say the president isn't budging. boehner facing reporters asked when the about the would take a step toward us. >> come on. >> stephanie: really? >> he's gotta compromise. >> stephanie: okay. >> we're not going to compromise. >> if we were to pass, for instance, raising the top two rates and that's it, all have a sudden, we do have the leverage of the date ceiling and we haven't yet given that up. >> stephanie: the purged house members are seeking answers from boehner. they will not be ignored. they're still knocking on his door. that's probably why all they hear is glug, glug, glug. clinking glasses. [knocking at door] >> stephanie: before republicans who were purged signaled they would not be going quietly in a letter to john boehner. [knocking at door] >> shut up. >> stephanie: putting away his little bottles. i'll be there in a minute! all right.

58 minutes after the hour. back with rob reiner next on "the stephanie miller show." rr [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: hello. hour number three. rob reiner coming up. talk about the supreme court doings. jacki schechner -- [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] >> yes? >> stephanie: another weird thing out of florida miami girl. only in florida would you see this headline.

florida man goes out on a drink leaves infant son at home with pitbull as the baby-sitter. that's when you should have taken a baby to a bar. >> look at you! you have a baby. in a bar! >> stephanie: yeah. he's been charged with child neglect for eaghtdly leaving his 10 month-month-old at home with no one to care for him but a pitbull. >> oh, yea florida. >> stephanie: just saying that's when bringing the baby to the bar would have been a solution. >> i don't know if we're crazier than the other state or we just have better reporting on the craziness. >> think with you have better reporting. >> when i lived in arizona, we had a lot of stories like that. they just didn't get reported. i think it is the better reporting. >> we're on top of the crazy. >> stephanie: abandoned pitbull. i'm going to go with pit pitbull. here she is, jacki schechner the sanest thing out of florida. >> michigan state democrats have

met with governor rick schneider to talk about the right to work legislation he's expected to sign tomorrow into law. senator carl levin asked the governor to veto the bill or at least to delay the legislation voting on it. levin said schneider agreed to consider it but keep in mind the republican-led legislature pushed it through and schneider is a republican. senator debbie stabenow is calling michigan developments like wisconsin but worse. in a statement this morning senate majority leader harry reid calls the michigan anti-worker legislation a dangerous nationwide trend by republican-led state legislatures to attacking and collective bargaining. a new poll out today on immigration shows that a majority of american voters support citizenship for undocumented immigrants. 62% support a path -- a proposal that lays out a multiyear process. according to the politico gw

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>> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. six minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number. jim ward has been replaced with bucky beaver. bucky, my christmas beaver. jim had a voice job. he's gotta go. john in san francisco requested it. steph, you and bucky believer were as chris would say totally adorbs together. it doesn't seem fair to hoard your beaver at home. >> stephanie: i will be sharing my christmas beaver. >> you're showing off your beaver quite well. >> stephanie: it is a nice one. what? >> nice beaver. >> stephanie: thank you. >> thank you. >> i just had it stuffed. >> stephanie: he listens to me more than jim does. [ laughter ] >> true. >> stephanie: now we segue into the serious discussion of marriage equality. have fun storming the supreme court. >> we have serious problems to solve. we need serious people to solve it. >> stephanie: good morning rob reiner.

>> hey, stephanie miller, how are you? >> i'm hoping we're going to have fun storming the supreme court. >> hopefully we will. i think the outcome is going to be good for us. this is what we've been working toward. so i'm glad we're there. looks like march 27th is going to be our date. we should know by june what the supreme court will rule. and the question is how narrow or broad they will rule. >> stephanie: that's exactly right. you know i have you on speed dial so i can ask are we there yet? are we there yet? are you happy? are you scared? what's happening. you've heard analysis all over the place. but you guys seem genuinely really confident about this. >> we do feel that way. we felt that way all along. right from the beginning. there were a lot of people were worried that we were -- going too fast but if you look at what's happening i believe that you know, this nation, we're hitting critical mass. >> stephanie: yep. >> we've won four ballot initiatives this last election. we've now got nine states in --

and the district of columbia. by the time this case is heard we might have from three to five more states, you know, accepting gay marriage. so definitely we're moving in the right direction. and i think hopefully the court will be cognizant of that. >> stephanie: well you know, i was telling your lovely wife, michelle, the problem is you read stuff from the people on the other side and you're like wait a minute, why do they seem so happy and confident? i can't read that. they're saying this is a symbol that they're looking to strike this down. everybody at this point is just guessing right? >> yeah. it is all speculation. although i must say we do have a court record that we were established at the district level and it's very, very clear that just based on legal terms there really is no reason to deny the right to marriage. and to make it -- you know, as ted olson has pointed out many times, the supreme court has

ruled on 14 different occasions that marriage is a fundamental right. and if that is the case, then it seems on legal ground, there is nothing to really stand in our way. i mean the only thing you could conceivably say is that you have religious objections to it but that's not a legal case. >> stephanie: well, i was saying rob i wasn't even aware of that that even in the polling -- the majority of roman catholics, protestants are for marriage equality. now i think as ted olson wrote the conservative case for gay marriage marriage equality, i read the religious piece for marriage equality. i'm not sure it is breaking down on those lines anymore are you? >> people certainly have their own particular beliefs but like i say as a matter of legal principles, there really is no grounds to stand on. i mean you know, the interesting thing will be to see what each of the justices rule on because there are a number of issues. it is not just -- you know, the

broader sense which is marriage equality throughout the country and whether or not there is a constitutional right to marriage for everyone. they could rule as narrow as the ninth circuit ruled which which is to say it limits it to california. there is also the issue of standing. does the -- do the proponents of prop 8 actually have legal standing. and you know, there are a number of justices who are very, you know, big sticklers on standing and they may reject their standing. so in an odd way we may get a 9-0 decision for various reasons. >> stephanie: oh interesting. what happens in that case? it goes back to california? >> no, no, no. it depends on -- you know, it is a lot of -- you know, inside baseball legal technicalities and things that people may not understand but the question is who will write the opinion of the majority. and that takes five votes.

you have to have five people sign on to the majority to have a majority opinion. my guess is that it will be justice kennedy because he has seniority if he chooses to write the majority opinion. if he chooses to find in the broadest sense you might get four of the more liberal justices signing on to that. in which case, it will be marriage equality throughout the country. now -- but the question is how broad or narrow will they rule? it may be just california. we feel we're going to win either way. we feel we'll have at least california and hopefully the whole country. >> stephanie: that would be amazing. let me streak to the fretters. you know i'm not a big fan of fretting. [ laughter ] >> you're not jewish. >> stephanie: no. >> we fret a lot. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: i was raised catholic, you know. jews are born with guilt.

>> you had some guilt there. >> stephanie: gay marriage supporters see 41 reasons to fret over the supreme court's decision. because they're saying 41 states do not have marriage equality. you've heard this. the too far too fast, argument that the supreme court doesn't get out too far ahead on social issues. ruth bader ginsburg talking about row v. wade having moved too fast even though it was the right decision. what do you think about all of that? >> that is a concern except like i say, by the time this case is heard, we might have, like i say, three to five more states. we might have as many as 14 states and clearly we're moving in the right direction. so this court may see that there is a tide moving in that direction and they may feel comfortable with it. you know. david has said on many occasions that he thinks chief justice roberts will rule in our favor. because this is his court. and this is just a matter of time. we will have gay marriage in this country. it is just a matter of time. and i think many of these

justices want to be on the right side of history. >> stephanie: well, you know, you probably said -- this was the piece i was citing. you probably saw it yesterday the piece in the "l.a. times" by michael clairman. being on the right side will matter to kennedy and perhaps roberts. >> i'm hoping so. you don't want to think that our justices are making decisions based on you know, either politics or you know, some ebb and flow of public opinion. but that does -- certainly they're human beings and that does enter into it. like i say from a pure legal standpoint, there is no reason to not have marriage equality. >> stephanie: right. but this piece ends by saying -- what justice would not be tempted to author an opinion within a few short years become known as the brown vs. the education of the gay rights movement. >> michelle and i keep look at

each other and pinching ourselves because we can't believe we're involved in something that is as big as this. it is almost surreal. this will take its place along with brown and loving versus virginia and some of the really big landmark supreme court cases. >> stephanie: i know. that's why we love you so much because as michelle and i were talking about yesterday obviously you've had some other groups that are on our side that are nervous that don't want to go this way. and i think the fact that you and ted olson and david have always fought so big and bold, it really is historic. >> yeah, well, i mean a lot of the people are worried. people who have been working at this for a very long time and things are done incrementally but there is a certain point at which you hit a critical mass. i think we've gotten to that point now. i think we see the country moving in this direction and people are starting to feel a little bit more comfortable. hopefully i can aswage some of

your fears stephanie. >> stephanie: that's why you're on speed dial. view call blocked me yet which is amazing. our friend from west hollywood is quoted as saying any time our gay issues go to the supreme court, we're all filled with anxiety because you never know. whatever decision they make, if it is averse, we'll have to live with it for a generation. people think it comes down to one guy to kennedy right? >> well, it may or may not. you know. as david boyce said, he thinks chief justice roberts may be on our side. although reading the tea leaves, kennedy has been the one who has issued the main opinions on two very important gay rights cases one was romer vs. colorado. he came down on the side of rights to gays. so it stands to reason he would be the one that might want to

write this opinion and be our swing vote. but you never never know with the supreme court. >> stephanie: exactly. those are all of the stories that people are excited. i know -- i talked to chris perry right after i talked to you guys. they feel the same way. elated and hopeful. >> until we get our final opinion in june, there will be nervousness. but i feel very confident. we felt -- we felt confident right from the beginning. right from the first time -- the first day of the trial and the district court in san francisco. >> stephanie: um, that's why i love you. i would marry you if i were straight then i could knock that michelle reiner off. >> well, maybe i can turn you. there is always that possibility, stephanie. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] different kind of therapy. it is not like what bachmann's husband goes through. it is a different type of therapy. >> stephanie: exactly. but you know, obviously if they hadn't taken this, we, as chris

perry, they could -- kris perry, they could have gotten married this weekend. i don't have anyone to marry. by the time this happens in june, that's your job. >> is to find somebody for you so that you can get married. >> stephanie: it is all about me. >> you now have the entire city of los angeles looking for someone for you. >> stephanie: get on it, people! it could be june. a june wedding! unless rob reiner turns me. rob, i love you and your lovely wife michelle. you are heroes. love you honey. >> thank you chris. >> thanks, rob! >> bye. >> stephanie: have fun with the supreme court. you know what song i'm going to play at my wedding? >> fun! wow! >> stephanie: guess what will be served! soda stream. someone should marry me just for the segue right? >> no. >> stephanie: okay. decide -- soda stream, made fresh at home in less than 30 seconds. best holiday gift.

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smart, simple soda. 19 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> for a good time call now 1-800-steph-12. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

cu ♪ one, two, three, four comeú on baby, say you love ♪ >> stephanie miller. ♪ five, six seven times ♪ >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 24 minutes after the hour. oh kris perry and sandy and i were discussing what my role would be in their wedding when they can get married. steven in illinois said how about old maid of honor.

[ ♪ circus ♪ ] thank you steven. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] did you see o'donnell on "meet the press" yesterday? >> i heard about it. >> stephanie: he confronted him about falsely predicting in 1993 the economy would suffer if then president bill clinton raised marginal tax rates. he actually played guess the quote with him. o'donnell turns to him and said who said this? >> that's awesome. >> stephanie: the tax increase will kill jobs and lead to rae session. it will increase the deficit. that's newt gingrich in 1993 on the clinton tax increase and those of us working on the other side of the tax increase have been waiting for your apology for 20 years for being completely wrong about that. ♪ let's hear it for the boy ♪ >> let's give the boy a hand ♪ >> how did newt react? >> stephanie: he was untenable to his own [ bleep ] >> i don't agree with you on that. >> 20 years ago, you said it. >> stephanie: the economy soared. no one lost a job. gingrich baloney.

there's no way to penetrate his -- like denial. he said there was no recession. there was no recession. then he just -- that's a bunch of -- if you look at all of the indicators -- okay. >> stephanie: lawrence o'donnell was right. brian in dales you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi brian. >> caller: hey seductive stephanie. been waiting an hour to talk to you. >> stephanie: hey. go ahead. >> caller: i was giving a call in the interest of journalistic integrity, i heard something about mark 25 and obviously there's no mark 25 in the bible. >> stephanie: that was -- see when you have an atheist for an executive producer, he didn't lunge on that. i didn't know there wasn't a mark 25. >> no, there isn't. i want to give you something i'm sure you can appreciate here. i'm a biblical christian. i'm not going to sit up here --

if i was elected president today, i would resign today. there's no way you can legislate morality or personal beliefs or anything like that. >> stephanie: that's right. >> you shouldn't. as a matter of fact, i think that you stephanie, you probably agree with a lot more of christ teaching than you might be aware of just as far as the human equality thing. that's what we're taught. we're tuit love everybody. >> christ had some great things to say and some great philosophies on life. >> stephanie: the golden life. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. >> stephanie: i learned some of the best people i knew weren't of any specific religion. i don't think it necessarily has to do with being a good person, right? >> being a good person, none of us are good. we all fall short you know what i mean. that's where you get the whole take care of the plank in your own eye before you worry about the grain of sand in your brother's eye. >> stephanie: there you go. >> i wouldn't legislate morality. whether or not i feel it is natural, normal, that's my opinion. everybody has their own

consequences to deal with in this life and in the next. >> stephanie: yep. >> the fact is i want to make sure christianity is represented properly because there are a lot of people out here that are pushing in the opposite of what christ is teaching us. what we've been taught to do. now mark 25 doesn't exist. there are a couple of verses in the bible but even rob reiner said it. you can't vote off of your religion. you can't vote off of your spiritual belief. i just wanted to make sure that your listeners in the interest of journalistic integrity if they want to look up leviticus 18-22, look up what the bible says about homosexuality. >> stephanie: i know being a religious man, you don't care about material things but i'm going to give you free pro flowers for being the best call of the day. >> i really appreciate that. i just wanted to make sure people were understanding that not all of us are judgmental and hate-filled and want to kill you

and all of that. >> stephanie: absolutely. brian, thank you. you get $100 of pro flowers gift code. i'm going to put you on hold. merry christmas. >> cool beans! >> stephanie: t-bone, get it. pro flowers $100 gift code all from mama for the holidays. click on the microphone and type in the code stephanie, won't you? >> we'll be doing this for the next two weeks. >> stephanie: he didn't reason see that coming. >> the best call of the day will get a code for pro flowers. $100. >> stephanie: john in tulsa real quick. >> caller: gee i wish i would have known there was a prize involved. i would have made a better call! >> you'll prepare for next time. go ahead. >> next time i'll prepare. so i was listening in the first hour right at the end, you had the woman call whose husband is asking for a divorce because he wants to pursue a relationship with another man. >> stephanie: uh-huh. >> caller: i was thinking my god, the right wing is correct.

gay marriage will destroy traditional marriage because think of all of the people who are married that if gay marriage were legal across the country think of all of the people who are in the sham marriages. >> stephanie: there you go. gays have got to be allowed to marry. right back on "the stephanie miller show." exciting issue. from financial regulation, iran getting a nuclear bomb, civil war in syria, fraud on wall street, destruction of medicare and medicaid. there are real issues here. having been a governor, i know that trade-offs are tough. things everyday exploding around the world that leave no shortage for exciting conversations. i want our viewer to understand why things have happened. at the end of the show, you know what has happened, why its happened and more importantly, what's going to happen tomorrow.

>> i gave them $1,000 and they all got drunk at lunch and now they like me. >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." 34 minutes after the hour. monday. the rude pundit. ♪

>> stephanie: good morning papa. >> good morning. >> stephanie: listen, we've been talking marriage equality all morning. i have to take your temperature on this. i don't know if you've written something about it yet but elated nervous what do you think? >> i'm kind of elated. i think it is going -- even if it goes 4-4 we're good, right? >> stephanie: yeah. >> it had to happen. so let's get this battle over with. >> when you say 4-4 does someone have to recuse themselves on it? >> isn't there a chance kagan to recuse herself? >> stephanie: i hadn't heard that. i thought you meant roberts would have to because of that gay picture of him in the '80s. >> no. although it should. by their own standards, what were his shorts like? how revealing were they? >> they were very short. and that cable knit sweater was toppled gently over his shoulders. >> stephanie: the good news is, i'm not a legal expert but

it seems like the consensus is that doma is a slam dunk. which is good news. >> right. didn't ted olson ask obama to prepare a brief for the supreme court for it. >> stephanie: really? can you give the president an assignment? >> hey why don't you throw in on this. since you're not defending the law. >> stephanie: we were just talking to rob reiner a few minutes ago. i have to say that he and ted olson and david boyce are confident and that gives me confidence because they know a lot more about it than i do. >> i get the feeling this is one of those occasions where if we take it that roberts is now you know, thinking about a legacy that does he want his legacy to be the guy that stopped the progress of the country. >> stephanie: and i think scalia doing fox news talking points about the affordable care act, you know, may have had something to do with his ruling there in terms of the court being seen as this hyperpartisan

body right? >> exactly. so yeah, i think it is a good sign -- i think it is only on one of the cases that kagan has to recuse herself. i know they're putting it together. i'm not sure. there is also that kagan was put on the supreme court specifically because of gay marriage. because they wanted that vote on gay marriage. >> stephanie: we shall see. all right. i love your post on michigan. if people are not paying attention. you basically summed it up. michigan sucks because your government hates workers and women. and again, i don't know with everything going on the fiscal cliff and all of that if people saw this. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] you talk about republicans rammed through this legislation in a lame duck session hours after they were introduce to both chambers, prohibiting private unions that nonunion employees pay fees. the senate imposed the same requirement on most public unions. no public input. it was a naked power play. orchestrated by the skeevy

governor rick schneider who was riding the anti-union wave. it would have enshrined public employee collective baring aining. right to work essentially a way for corporate bastards to tell the workers to go [ bleep ] themselves. and not so fun fact, in fact, most of the [ bleep ] states for workers in the country a right to work because it makes it easier to reduce pay and benefits. i don't know if anybody knew what -- that this all happened so quickly. >> it did. in fact, it got filed and there is actually a law in michigan that said that there needs to be five days where the public can read and comment on the bill. and they just -- i think there might even be a court case about it because the law can't -- they may need to revote on tuesday. but then there was this sudden protest that came about where all of these union workers came rushing to the capital and they locked the capitol doors on the union members. and ended up pepper spraying and

arresting people that tried to get in. and there is this great video that i linked to of the -- of this michigan set -- republican senator who was chairing the senate at that moment. just losing her crap, beating the sounding block with a gavel. trying to get everybody to calm down. and i mean just her hair, her dyed blond hair is just whipping. i'm surprised she didn't break the desk. >> stephanie: wow. you also point out extra points to [ bleep ] head senator mark jansen who said if women want to have abortion coverage, they should quote-unquote pony up for a rider to their insurance. women and doctors and pharmacists, conscience clauses should refuse viagra prescriptions saying if god wanted you to have a boner, he would have given you one. >> i'm sorry but erections make me uncomfortable. [ laughter ] >> i think that's the line of the morning.

>> stephanie: anti-erection. okay. we talked about this last week. but just this -- unbelievable, disgusting vote on the disabilities act in front of bob dole. as only you could say it. a congregation of mother [ bleep ] in the senate. at some point even the most devoted mother [ bleep ] would get exhausted from all of the [ bleep ] mothers but not the republicans -- >> you're really going to read the paragraph? >> stephanie: just that much. that's the only way to put it, right? >> because there's no other way you can think about what a cruel and awful decision this was. you know. how -- isn't there a point where there's just not even a rational -- any kind of rational reason to do this? you know. it is funny. i was actually doing some sadly some lindsey graham research this morning -- >> stephanie: oh sorry. >> i know. it is something you have to do. he had this whole statement about -- about why he voted against it.

that it was all this crazy you know, u.n.'s going to take over and we're going to give up our sovereignty. >> stephanie: one world government. >> slippery slope for the towns come down. one of the reasons why i voted against this treaty. >> stephanie: unbelievable. >> lindsey graham impression. >> stephanie: that was good. >> i figure he sounds kind of like a drag queen loretta lynn. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: now rude, speaking of our body of government now what with this fiscal cliff thing? do you sense how this is going to play out at all? >> no. >> stephanie: okay good, thanks for calling. >> every time you think something is going to happen, somebody else comes out and says no no, no, we're not going to raise are the medicare age even though there were signs that was going to happen. klein wrote about that recently. now democrats came out this weekend. dick durbin and others saying we're not going to raise the medicare age. >> stephanie: i think that's a

bad idea. there is a lot of unintended stuff that's going to happen from that which is not -- it just defeats the purpose. >> totally. not only that but it is in its own way, in sort of the language that republicans use, it is raising rates on seniors because people 65 to 67 are going to have to go to the private market and get insurance. now sure, the government may not be paying for it. but -- so it might cut the cost. >> stephanie: they're going to raise the rates because those will be the youngest, healthiest people in medicare. >> it will raise the rates for them and people that should be on medicare will be detail end of the time -- their time on private insurance when rates would be the highest. >> stephanie: yeah. >> it is just -- it seems like every time they come up with something to soft counter the president's proposals it is something that will inevitably be balanced for the backs of

working class americans. >> stephanie: they're essentially mother [ bleep ] >> they're a company of -- >> stephanie: nicely said. all right honey. love you rudeness. see you next week. [ applause ] >> stephanie: marco -- >> rubio. >> stephanie: on the fiscal cliff. >> we must reform our complicated job killing tax code. our goal should be to generate new revenue by creating new taxpayers, not new taxes. >> stephanie: he seems like 12 to me when i saw him speak the other day. look at me. i'm young and brown. >> oh, stop it. >> stephanie: representative randy forbes. >> the president doesn't want to get an agreement or compromise, he wants to get his way. that's why he won't come to the table with any serious proposal and simply talk because i think if we do that, we can get a solution that everybody could live with. we're willing to sit down and negotiate and talk about these ideas and principles but where is the senate?

where is the president? the american people can hear what they're putting on the table but secondly, realizing the senate and president are missing in action. >> stephanie: right. i think as dick durbin said on "meet the press," you can reach him any time. why won't the president sit down? you know where he is. all right. let's go to wayne in panama city florida. hi wayne welcome. >> hi, steph. how you doing? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i wanted to ask, all of the bush tax cuts have been in place all of these years and the republicans talking points were if you lower taxes then it creates jobs. >> stephanie: yes. >> caller: where are the jobs? >> stephanie: thank you very much in the words of john boehner. >> we had plenty of jobs during the clinton era. why don't we raise the taxes on the top 2% back to clinton-era. >> stephanie: amy in illinois. hello, amy. >> hi, i love you guys.

>> stephanie: i love you back. >> caller: my daughter's been doing her own little political protest. she was in the fourth grade. she refuses to say the pledge of allegiance so there's -- until there's equal rights are for marriage for everybody because she says she can't say liberty and justice for all if it isn't true. >> stephanie: oh! children are the future. >> that's totes adorns. ♪ i believe that children are our future ♪ >> stephanie: let's go to joe in pittsburgh. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi joe. >> caller: actually, jesus did say gay is okay but in order to understand that, you have to understand the language of the times he was speaking. >> ancient -- >> gay people throughout the bible were referred to as natural-born eunicks. jesus identified three different. natural born, those by other men

and those who made themselves for the kingdom of heaven's sakes. now, matthew 19 is often quoted -- >> stephanie: i thought unic meant no genitals. >> caller: those were the ones that were man-made. natural born were permitted in the temple. man-made were not. they were considered unclean. >> stephanie: uh-huh. >> caller: so throughout the bible and even in the ancient babylon -- >> stephanie: i feel like we're talking about lakes. >> caller: using the male hairdresser sayreio type that is best to make sure your wife's hair dresser is a unic so that you know you are the father of your children. >> stephanie: why do i feel like we're talking about garden gnomes. i thought it meant no genitals, not gay. >> back in those times. they were people that didn't have sex. in the normal way.

so they were referred to as natural-morn munichs. >> i don't think jesus ever said gay is okay. back with the remaining moments of "the stephanie miller show." >> eke. i just spewed on my dashboard again. it's "the stephanie miller show." insights, analysis and laughs? >> i'm a slutty bob hope. the troops love me. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso.

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1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. susan in l.a. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi sus. welcome. >> caller: i can't think of anybody else i would wait two hours to talk to. >> stephanie: oh yeah, you are plucky. go ahead. >> caller: i just wanted to make a really basic comment about the whole gay issue that everybody seems to overlook. >> stephanie: what's that? >> caller: which is that homosexuality is nature's answer to overpopulation. and it occurs in the animal world as well. and it is perfectly natural. i don't understand why everyone just can't get over it. >> stephanie: i've said that forever. it exists in every species and homophobia only in ours for some reason. >> caller: yes. one more comment about the same kind of basic comment about the liberal and conservative philosophies. because basically the definition of conservative is

resistant to change and liberal is open to change. and what happens in the animal species again if you're not open to change? adaptation is what keeps the species alive. species that cannot adapt die out. >> stephanie: maureen dowd had a great piece yesterday on lost civilization. it is about the republicans going extinct. >> of course. >> stephanie: by the way the fun facts about my own dogs, max and fred, my handsome and romantic. max, super straight. fred gay. gay as a $3. >> has he been sniffing boy's crotches. >> stephanie: remember how hal sparks used to stay with me when i was in new york. he would hit him in the left ball. hal makes everyone hot. >> by the way stephanie styles tweeted i'm pretty sure it is flavin 7-23 where jesus said i'm down with the gay. >> stephanie: flavin is my

favorite chapter. >> actually, those are the books >> stephanie: shedd and floyd. >> jim's not here to correct your german. >> stephanie: i'm going to get as many in as i can in this segment. >> better be careful. bucky may correct your german. >> bucky the beaver. >> stephanie: michael hill sick with a piece in the "l.a. times." the election is over but super pacs are still a threat. just as the devil's finest trick is persuading you he doesn't exist, it may be persuading us that citizens united doesn't matter. we've been like thank god that didn't matter. he said one of the big post-election is it showed big-time spending couldn't help donors like sheldon adelson get their way and might have worked against them. the conclusion was wow did he waste his money. or is it sheldon freud? >> was that written there? oh, that's funny. >> stephanie: misplace and dangerous and influenced by corporations still accounts for a lot in our electoral process.

citizens united still needs an antidote. it is just a watch out for the next cycle. the larger influence is the ability to buy influence over government policies and that's operating in full force regardless of the outcome of particular races. so yeah, another example of why the supreme court is so important. all right. in the guess what, obama is going to begin an all-out drive for comprehensive immigration reform in january. >> yeah. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] >> stephanie: why? because he won 72% of the hispanic vote and republicans suddenly magically have -- [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] i'm sure for all of the right reasons, it comes right from the heart as it generally does for republicans. >> it never comes from political expedience. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] >> stephanie: did you see the picture of charlie crist and his lovely wife? >> she's lovely. and he's very, very neat and tan. >> stephanie: he tweeted proud and honored to join the democratic party in the home of the president. >> speaking of political

expediency. >> stephanie: registration form he was holding up. he said i've had friends say charlie, you're a democrat and you just don't know it. i wonder what else his friends say that he doesn't know about himself. speculating he will challenge rick scott. >> good for him. [ applause ] >> stephanie: you know whom i have another dream. senator stephen colbert. a lot of buzz about him replacing jim demint. i tweeted i wouldn't just block legislation, i would body check it. yes. he's encouraging the speculation about it. nikki will name him. he spoke in support of it on his show. i know when i look at the u.s. senate, you know what? they could use another white guy. ♪ let's hear it for the boy ♪ >> stephanie: how hilarious would that be? ♪ get's live the boy a -- let's give the boy a hand ♪ >> stephanie: speaking of no sense of humor those million moms, they're at it again.

>> oh, god really? [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] >> stephanie: they have said they're moving on from their latest ellen degeneres protest. >> million moms, pretty much -- just one mom -- >> stephanie: i think it is a guy. >> there was a dude in there. just one mom. >> stephanie: it was concern women for america that has a male president. >> in her mom's basement. >> stephanie: the group to complain about ellen degeneres' appearance is not going to pursue further protests. they posted the web site saying they've made -- christians must now vote with their wallets because they put a gay in the commercial. [ whatever! ] >> she didn't talk about gay things in the commercial. >> stephanie: the group first drew attention to jcpenney's use of degeneres as spokesperson and would not drop her. god bless them. they're plucky. [ applause ] they also is they don't like

schweddy balls ice cream. as we were saying if you don't like lesbians or schweddy balls what do you like? how can we help you? >> help us help you! [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] >> by the way i saw -- i saw that original schweddy balls snl sketch over the weekend. it is still -- hysterically funny. >> stephanie: catherine zetta jones, after a much publicized hospitallation after bipolar disorder said she's done discussing it then she says no, i'm not. everyone stop talking about it! she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] >> you're confusing her mental illnesses. >> stephanie: i've dated all of them. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: come on! all right. we're this close to vacation! >> pull this bus into the station. >> stephanie: that's it for us. i would like to thank executive

producer chris lavoie, voice deity bucky for filling in for jim for hour number three and courtney and jacki and all of the folks at current. we'll see you tomorrow on "the stephanie miller show."